We are ready to present our Trade List, which has been in progress since early summer. It doesn't have too many rare items on it yet, but we hope that the list will be updated and become bigger.
 

All contacts and information are on the first page.
 

We are waiting for your offers!

FLAMMENMEER TRADE LIST

Изменено 24 декабря, 202424 дек пользователем Damn

Some small but important updates:

2011.10.29 - Berlin, Black Box Music 16.6 MB [MOV]
2001.05.01 - Berlin, Knaack Club 495 MB [FLAC] (turned out to be a fake)
1999.06.20 - San Francisco, Maritime Hall 456 MB [FLAC]
2011.11.25 - Berlin, O2 World 587 MB [FLAC]
2011.12.04 - Dusseldorf 0.7 GB [FLAC]
 

Wouldn't be surprised if Black Box leaks tbh, everyone seemingly has that now lol

12 часов назад, Konzertliebe сказал:

Wouldn't be surprised if Black Box leaks tbh, everyone seemingly has that now lol

these files were absolutely rare about 10 years ago

12 hours ago, Greifwaldester said:

these files were absolutely rare about 10 years ago

Definitely, but they started circulating around summer last year I think, ehich ofc put them in way more peoples hands and inevitably they'll leak eventually

The thing is that this is only a very short part of a full bootleg which only 2 people have. So yeah, this snippet might leak but not the full content.

9 часов назад, jederlacht сказал:

The thing is that this is only a very short part of a full bootleg which only 2 people have. So yeah, this snippet might leak but not the full content.

this snippets floating around for years, so i think its unnecessary for people who are into trade scene

i dont mean to be rude, but in that case, when you point out that you and retwas (who actually was the taper, by the way) are "only 2 people who have this one" - its kinda funny to be honest 

Изменено 21 января21 янв пользователем ALMV

34 minutes ago, Bomboclaht said:

I could've sworn that when I spoke to Retwas, he told me the full audio recording of BBM 2011 was a myth. Does it actually exist?

I think he means the video recording, which if the archived version of Retwas's site is anything to go by, is around 18 mins long iirc

The recording is not the full concert - it's 13:36 in total. And Retwas is not the taper of it. It was recorded by one of my personal friends. 

 

@ALMV My point only was to give a proper explanation as I thought there might have been some misconception floating around.

Изменено 22 января22 янв пользователем jederlacht

even if retwas was not the actual taper - he was the first who obtain something from here. Position was held on his site for several years, until it was completely deleted from it in 2016-17

no one except him (until recently, when jederlacht post this one as his new update) didnt post some info about it

As far as i remember, Retwas gave information about the length of 8 minutes, also it was signed that it was a master
If we go by the then and now system of designations on his site - his personal record

so either we're talking about two completely different recordings, or we're talking about the same one, its just that retwas made a mistake in the original data of his position.

Изменено 22 января22 янв пользователем ALMV

4 hours ago, ALMV said:

even if retwas not the actual taper - he was the first who obtained something from here. Position was held on his site for several years, until it was completely deleted from it in 2016-17

no one except him (until recently, when jederlacht post this one as his new update) didnt post some info about it

As far as i remember , Retwas gave information about the length of 8 minutes, also it was signed that it was a master
If we go by the then and now system of designations on his site - his personal record

so either we're talking about two completely different recordings, or we're talking about the same one, its just that retwas made a mistake in the original data of his position.

 

They are the same recordings for sure, the info must be wrong.

Here's the data info.

 

https://postimg.cc/WhYbfhn8

Изменено 22 января22 янв пользователем jederlacht

Some notable updates:

Rammstein:
2011.11.10 - Budapest, Papp László Budapest Sportaréna 516 MB [FLAC]
1997.10.12 - Offenbach, Stadthalle Offenbach 414 MB [FLAC]
1997.10.12 - Offenbach, Stadthalle Offenbach 459 MB [FLAC]
2016.06.03 - Vienna, Rock in Vienna Festival 504 MB [FLAC]
2002.06.30 - Arnhem,  GelreDome 528 MB [FLAC]
2023.05.28 - Helsinki,  Helsingin olympiastadion 1.42 GB [FLAC]

Till Lindemann:

2024.10.14 - Inglewood, Kia Forum 831 MB [WAV]
 

 

We are opening Slipknot's videos list

Updates:
03.05.1999 - Minneapolis, First Avenue, USA - AVI - 11,8 GB - 56 mins - PRO - Chris - FAD (Center)
22.05.1999 - Des Moines, Hairy Mary's, USA - AVI - 13 GB - 61 mins - PRO - Chris - RAW (Stage)
22.08.1999 - St.Paul, Roy Wilkins Auditorium, USA - AVI - 6,18 GB - 30 mins - PRO - Chris - RAW (Barricade)
12.09.1999 - Columbus, Alrosa Villa, USA - AVI - 5,77 GB - 28 mins - PRO - Chris - RAW (Center)
01.12.1999 - Minneapolis, The Quest, USA - AVI - 11,6 GB - 55 mins - PRO - Tom - RAW (Center)
01.01.2000 - Des Moines, Super Toad Entertainment Center, USA - AVI - 7,98 GB - 38 mins - PRO - Chris - RAW (Soundcheck)
15.04.2000 - Chicago, Congress Theater, USA - AVI - 15,4 GB - 74 mins - PRO - Chris - RAW (Barricade)
09.05.2000 - Sacramento, Sacramento Memorial Auditorium, USA - AVI - 15,3 GB - 72 mins - PRO - Matt - RAW (Right Center)
07.07.2000 - Sioux Falls, Sioux Empire Fair Expo Hall, USA - AVI - 5,54 GB - 26 mins - PRO - Chris - FAD (Soundcheck)
08.07.2000 - Fargo, Civic Auditorium, USA - AVI - 13 GB - 63 mins - PRO - Tom - RAW (Stage)
08.07.2000 - Fargo, Civic Auditorium, USA, AVI - 13,1 GB - 62 mins - PRO - Chris - RAW (Barricade)
08.07.2000 - Fargo, Civic Auditorium, USA - AVI - 13,3 GB - 48 mins - PRO - Matt - RAW (Center)
09.06.2001 - East Troy, Alpine Music Valley Theatre, USA - AVI - 13 GB - 62 mins - PRO - Tom - RAW (Center)
 

If someone there is interesting for you, do not hesitate to contact us!
All contact information on our list in the first message.

Rammstein:
14.07.2001 - Gilford,  WAAF Big Field Day Festival, Meadowbrook Farm Musical Arts Center,  USA - FLAC - 291 MB - 0:48:20 - Audience MD (x) -> CDR -> PC Files (weird cut on "Asche zu Asche"
29.11.2001 - Frederiksberg,  K.B. Hallen,  Denmark - FLAC - 315 MB - 1:31:41 -  Audience MD (x) -> CDR -> PC Files
28.02.2010 - Moscow,  Olympic Sports Complex,  Russia - WAV - 1 GB - 1:41:42 - Audience - sergfan - Dictophone 
 

Update - added files we already have, they were not listed

Rammstein Audio:
15.11.2011 - Gdańsk/Sopot  Ergo Arena  Poland  FLAC  727 MB  2:01:31  Audience  MODEontheROAD  
18.11.2011 - Leipzig  Arena Leipzig  Germany  FLAC  821 MB  2:03:36  Audience    
21.11.2011 - Friedrichshafen  Rothaus Halle  Germany  FLAC  692 MB  2:01:12  Audience  _ratte_  
25.11.2011 - Berlin  O2 World  Germany  FLAC  587 MB  2:16:39  Audience    Flash (M) > PC files
25.11.2011 - Berlin  O2 World Berlin  Germany  FLAC  587 MB  2:16:39  Audience    
01.12.2011 - Eckbolsheim  Zénith de Strasbourg  France  FLAC  756 MB  2:00:53  Audience  matmat159  
02.12.2011 - Esch-sur-Alzette  Rockhal  Luxembourg  FLAC  1,09 GB  1:58:38  Audience    
04.12.2011 - Düsseldorf  ISS Dome  Germany  FLAC  686 MB  2:00:22  Audience  Rock_forever  DAT (M)  > PC files (WAV) > PC Files (FLAC)
09.12.2011 - Frankfurt am Main  Festhalle Frankfurt  Germany  FLAC  577 MB  2:02:22  Audience  millslane  
10.12.2011 - Stuttgart  Hanns-Martin-Schleyer-Halle  Germany  FLAC  605 MB  2:03:00  Audience  SF  
10.12.2011 - Stuttgart  Hanns-Martin-Schleyer-Halle  Germany  FLAC  763 MB  2:02:36  Audience  _ratte_  
03.02.2012 - Hannover  TUI Arena  Germany  FLAC  725 MB  1:55:09  Audience  heartland  
06.02.2012 - Kaunas  Žalgirio arena  Lithuania  WAV  1,17 GB  1:59:02  Audience  Svengison59  
10.02.2012 - Moscow  Olympic Sports Complex  Russia  FLAC  980 MB  1:40:08  Audience  4konishchev  
10.02.2012 - Moscow  Olympic Sports Complex  Russia  FLAC  476 MB  1:40:08  Audience  4konishchev  
10.02.2012 - Moscow  Olympic Sports Complex  Russia  FLAC  1,45 GB  2:06:52  Audience  Nastya-Jnm  
13.02.2012 - St. Petersburg  Saint Petersburg Sports and Concert Complex  Russia  FLAC  741 MB  2:05:33  Audience  Pumpkin Priest  
13.02.2012 - St. Petersburg  Saint Petersburg Sports and Concert Complex  Russia  WV  1,76 GB  2:14:30  Audience  Derich (Александр Журавлёв)  
13.02.2012 - St. Petersburg  Saint Petersburg Sports and Concert Complex  Russia  FLAC  94,6 MB  0:16:59  Audience  rfan  
17.02.2012 - Stockholm  Ericsson Globe  Sweden  FLAC  664 MB  2:00:29  Audience  DaveMurray  
25.02.2012 - Solihull  LG Arena  England  FLAC  720 MB  2:01:27  Audience  rbose1  
27.02.2012 - Dublin  The O2  Ireland  WAV  1,23 GB  2:04:59  Audience
29.02.2012 - Newcastle upon Tyne  Metro Radio Arena  England  FLAC  748 MB  2:04:43  Audience  RSDundee  
01.03.2012 - Manchester  Manchester Arena  England  FLAC  674 MB  2:00:03  Audience  inabsentia  
01.03.2012  - Manchester  Manchester Arena  England  FLAC  694 MB  2:04:29  Audience  rbose1  
02.03.2012 - Nottingham  Capital FM Arena  England  FLAC  637 MB  2:00:24  Audience  The Dogfather  
06.03.2012 - Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  FLAC  739 MB  2:09:59  Audience  Moka17  
07.03.2012 - Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  FLAC  743 MB  2:11:10  Audience  Sp@ceh  
07.03.2012 - Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  FLAC  781 MB  2:11:56  Audience  teething  
20.04.2012 - Sunrise  BankAtlantic Center  USA  FLAC  662 MB  1:59:08  Audience  TEKWRX  
23.04.2012 - Atlanta  Philips Arena  USA  FLAC  700 MB  1:52:01  Audience  matdog  
03.05.2012 - Cleveland  Quicken Loans Arena  USA  FLAC  537 MB  2:02:48  Audience  Jon G.  
04.05.2012  Rosemont  Allstate Arena  USA  FLAC  721 MB  2:01:49  Audience  Jon G.  
08.05.2012  Minneapolis  Target Center  USA  FLAC  662 MB  2:00:46  Audience  Hurricane62  
12.05.2012  Dallas  American Airlines Center  USA  WAV  1,50 GB  2:32:20  Audience  Penguin (Curtis Palmer)  
13.05.2012  Vancouver  Rogers Arena  Canada  FLAC  630 MB  2:04:16  Audience  xip187  
14.05.2012  Tacoma  Tacoma Dome  USA  FLAC  596 MB  2:01:17  Audience  xip187

 

Rammstein:
21.05.2022  Leipzig  Red Bull Arena  Germany  FLAC  840 MB  2:14:45  Audience  Ronny  
05.06.2022  Berlin  Olympiastadion Berlin  Germany  WAV  799 MB  1:12:43  Audience  Moritz  
26.06.2022  Coventry  Coventry Building Society Arena  England  FLAC  789 MB  2:13:54  Audience  Fodphil  
04.07.2022  Nijmegen  Goffertpark  Netherlands  FLAC  534 MB  2:07:34  Audience    
08.07.2022  Décines-Charpieu  Groupama Stadium  France  FLAC  1,40 GB  2:22:35  Audience  Herzwerk  
08.07.2022  Décines-Charpieu  Groupama Stadium  France  WAV  1,82 GB  3:05:35  Audience    
09.07.2022  Décines-Charpieu  Groupama Stadium  France  FLAC  763 MB  2:16:25  Audience    
16.07.2022  Warszawa  PGE Narodowy  Poland  FLAC  801 MB  2:20:14  Audience  Herzwerk  
20.07.2022  Tallinn  Tallinna lauluväljak  Estonia  FLAC  1,5 GB  2:32:08  Audience  Touko  
28.07.2022  Göteborg  Ullevi  Sweden  FLAC  861 MB  2:24:21  Audience  TheMetalist  
28.07.2022  Göteborg  Ullevi  Sweden  FLAC  701 MB  2:17:14  Audience  DaveMurray  
29.07.2022  Göteborg  Ullevi  Sweden  FLAC  888 MB  2:24:39  Audience  TheMetalist  
29.07.2022  Göteborg  Ullevi  Sweden  FLAC  614 MB  2:19:08  Audience  DaveMurray  
30.07.2022  Göteborg  Ullevi  Sweden  FLAC  852 MB  2:24:07  Audience  TheMetalist  
30.07.2022  Göteborg  Ullevi  Sweden  WAV  4,57 GB  2:22:00  Audience  Moritz  
03.08.2022  Ostende  Park de Nieuwe Koers  Belgium  WAV  1,43 GB  2:25:40  Audience  Herzwerk  
04.08.2022  Ostende  Park de Nieuwe Koers  Belgium  WAV  1,31 GB  2:13:05  Audience  Herzwerk  
27.08.2022  Minneapolis  U.S. Bank Stadium  USA  FLAC  1,40 GB  2:20:01  Audience  sm rollinger  
27.08.2022  Minneapolis  U.S. Bank Stadium  USA  FLAC  1,50 GB  2:19:14  Audience  Chris  
31.08.2022  Philadelphia  Lincoln Financial Field  USA  WAV  1,40 GB  2:15:54  Audience  markit aneight  
03.09.2022  Chicago  Soldier Field  USA  FLAC  743 MB  2:18:48  Audience  Jon G.  
09.09.2022  Foxborough  Gillette Stadium  USA  FLAC  1,44 GB  2:14:45  Audience  EC666  
09.09.2022  Foxborough  Gillette Stadium  USA  FLAC  787 MB  2:19:10  Audience  Massu2  
09.09.2022  Foxborough  Gillette Stadium  USA  MP3  81 MB  2:21:34  Audience  jimgasm
22.05.2023  Vilnius  Vingio parkas  Lithuania  FLAC  597 MB  2:17:31  Audience  piktstevs
11.07.2023  Budapest  Puskás Aréna  Hungary  FLAC  1,55 GB  2:16:52  Audience  LPMaskMan  Olympus LS-12 > iZotope Ozone (fades, EQ, maximizer) > PC Files
12.07.2023  Budapest  Puskás Aréna  Hungary  FLAC  1,6 GB  2:14:46  Audience  LPMaskMan  Olympus LS-12 > iZotope Ozone (fades, EQ, maximizer) > PC Files
22.07.2023  Saint-Denis  Stade de France  France  FLAC  690 MB  2:17:10  Audience  Moka17

Slipknot:
03.07.1999  East Troy  Alpine Music Valley Theatre  USA  AVI  5,58 GB  27 mins  PRO  Chris  RAW - Barricade
01.01.2000  Des Moines  Super Toad Entertainment Center  USA  AVI  13,6 GB  64 mins  PRO  Chris  RAW - Barricade

Rammstein:
02.08.2019  St. Petersburg  Gazprom Arena  Russia  WAV  1,48 GB  2:09:29  Audience  VinZ

Изменено 2 марта2 март пользователем Baston

Rammstein:
31.12.1994  Saalfeld  Klubhaus der Jugend  Germany  FLAC  510 MB  1:14:28  Audience  AOD  Analog (M) >  PC files (FLAC) (Thank you, Rasputin93!)
10.10.1998  Daly City  Cow Palace  USA  FLAC  160 MB  0:43:39  Audience    ANA (M) > PC Files
10.10.1998  Daly City  Cow Palace  USA  FLAC  137 MB  0:41:02  Audience  D.I.O.  MD (X) > Flac
02.07.2005  Werchter  Rock Werchter Festival, Werchterpark  Belgium  FLAC  500 MB  1:27:34  Audience    MD (M) > CDR (2)
08.11.2009  Lisboa  Pavilhão Atlântico  Portugal  FLAC  589 MB  1:43:39  Audience  Iron Pedro  
16.11.2009  Saint-Herblain  Le Zénith Nantes Métropole  France  WAV  1,19 GB  1:51:01  Audience    Flash (M) > PC files
23.11.2009  München  Olympiahalle München  Germany  FLAC  679 MB  1:40:23  Audience    
25.11.2009  Prague  O2 Arena  Czech Republic  WAV  440 MB  0:43:31  Audience  Martin Supich  
25.11.2009  Prague  O2 Arena  Czech Republic  FLAC  110 MB  0:15:05  Audience  Yuppyik  
30.11.2009  Köln  Lanxess Arena  Germany  FLAC  365 MB  1:24:22  Audience  Wolfmann  
30.11.2009  Köln  Lanxess Arena  Germany  FLAC  646 MB  1:37:26  Audience  Wolfmann  
03.12.2009  Eckbolsheim  Zénith de Strasbourg  France  WAV  446 MB  1:28:25  Audience    Digital Dictaphone -> PC (USB 2.0) -> Audacity (fades) -> WAV
03.12.2009  Eckbolsheim  Zénith de Strasbourg  France  FLAC  584 MB  1:42:17  Audience  matmat159  
08.12.2009  Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  FLAC  980 MB  1:45:15  Audience  Herzwerk  Zoom H2 > WAV > FLAC
09.12.2009  Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  FLAC  630 MB  1:42:40  Audience    Sharp MS 701 + Micro Sony ECM 717 > ? > CD(1)
09.12.2009  Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  FLAC  575 MB  1:44:56  Audience  Rabepic  Sharp MD MT190 + Mic Sony ECM717 > goldwave > .Wav > .Flac > you
09.12.2009  Paris  Palais omnisports de Paris-Bercy  France  WAV  1,77 GB  1:50:22  Audience  Herzwerk  Zoom H2 > WAV > FLAC
10.12.2009  Antwerpen  Sportpaleis Antwerpen  Belgium  FLAC  513 MB  1:38:58  Audience  Renezand  Church Audio CA-11 microphones + Church Audio ST-20A Mic Preamp Gain -27 + Edirol R09 
11.12.2009  Frankfurt am Main  Festhalle Frankfurt  Germany  FLAC  539 MB  1:39:18  Audience  AP  
12.12.2009  Stuttgart  Hanns-Martin-Schleyer-Halle  Germany  FLAC  601 MB  1:39:04  Audience  _ratte_      
17.12.2009  Rostock  HanseMesse  Germany  FLAC  588 MB  1:37:38  Audience  Scholle  
02.02.2010  Manchester  M.E.N. Arena  England  FLAC  558 MB  1:41:38  Audience  inabsentia  
16.02.2010  Malmö  Malmö Arena  Sweden  FLAC  463 MB  1:42:16  Audience  asmusu2  
20.02.2010  Stockholm  Ericsson Globe  Sweden  FLAC  524 MB  1:29:51  Audience    
28.02.2010  Moscow  Olympic Sports Complex  Russia  WAV  1 GB  1:41:42  Audience  sergfan  
28.02.2010  Moscow  Olympic Sports Complex  Russia  FLAC  592 MB  1:42:31  Audience  Felix  Sony MZ-RH1 (Hi-MD) + Sony ECM-719 
28.02.2010  Moscow  Olympic Sports Complex  Russia  FLAC  558 MB  1:26:10  Audience  Gross_Man    
05.03.2010  Vilnius  Siemens Arena  Lithuania  FLAC  536 MB  1:44:35  Audience  piklstevs  
12.03.2010  Łódź  Atlas Arena  Poland  FLAC  584 MB  1:35:53  Audience    
13.03.2010  Ostrava  ČEZ Aréna  Czech Republic  WAV  517 MB  1:42:18  Audience  Rizek  
13.03.2010  Ostrava  ČEZ Aréna  Czech Republic  WAV  535 MB  1:46:07  Audience    
20.03.2010  Beograd  Belgrade Arena  Serbia  FLAC  633 MB  1:48:47  Audience  pantelis79  
21.05.2010  Berlin  Kindl-Bühne Wuhlheide  Germany  FLAC  347 MB  1:29:45  Audience  Wolfmann  
21.05.2010  Berlin  Kindl-Bühne Wuhlheide  Germany  FLAC  650 MB  1:44:24  Audience  wb  
28.05.2010  Landgraaf  Pinkpop Festival, Megaland  Netherlands  WAV  1,16 GB  1:12:09  Audience  Guardian1970  
30.05.2010  Lisboa  Rock in Rio Festival, Parque da Bela Vista  Portugal  FLAC  279 MB  1:15:43  Audience  Wolfmann  
04.06.2010  Nürnberg  Rock im Park Festival, Zeppelinfeld  Germany  FLAC  532 MB  1:28:30  Audience  Ratte  
27.06.2010  București  Sonisphere Festival, Romexpo  Romania  WAV  787 MB  1:17:53  Audience    
08.07.2010  Bilbao  Bilbao BBK Live Festival, Kobetamendi  Spain  FLAC  98,9 MB  0:14:43  Soundboard    
18.07.2010  Québec  Festival d'été de Québec, Les Plaines d'Abraham  Canada  FLAC  449 MB  1:32:21  Audience  Jon G.  
31.07.2010  Knebworth  Sonisphere Festival, Knebworth House  England  FLAC  468 MB  1:27:34  Audience    
31.07.2010  Knebworth  Sonisphere Festival, Knebworth House  England  FLAC  480 MB  1:29:08  Audience
25.11.2010  Santiago  Estadio Bicentenario Municipal de La Florida  Chile  FLAC  633 MB  1:47:51  Audience  realkuka  
27.11.2010  Avellaneda  Estadio Racing Club  Argentina  FLAC  544 MB  1:47:45  Audience    
09.12.2010  Montréal  Centre Bell  Canada  FLAC  564 MB  1:44:22  Audience  Jon G.  
09.12.2010  Montréal  Centre Bell  Canada  FLAC  1,14 GB  1:44:52  Audience  Dassari  
11.12.2010  New York City  Madison Square Garden  USA  FLAC  1,10 GB  1:41:16  Audience  Dassari  
11.12.2010  New York City  Madison Square Garden  USA  FLAC  563 MB  1:40:49  Audience  Jon G.  
30.01.2011  Ascot Vale  Big Day Out Festival, Melbourne Showgrounds  Australia  FLAC  390 MB  1:06:06  Audience  SeanceMascara  
05.05.2011  East Rutherford  Izod Center  USA  FLAC  520 MB  1:31:24  Audience  TripKore & BLIND  
10.05.2011  Rosemont  Allstate Arena  USA  FLAC  583 MB  1:44:50  Audience  Jon G  
15.05.2011  Tacoma  Tacoma Dome  USA  FLAC  598 MB  1:45:03  Audience  iconoclastic  
18.05.2011  Oakland  Oracle Arena  USA  FLAC  450 MB  1:44:24  Audience    
20.05.2011  Inglewood  The Forum  USA  FLAC  500 MB  1:42:52  Audience    
20.05.2011  Inglewood  The Forum  USA  FLAC  553 MB  1:41:53  Audience  Jon G.  
20.05.2011  Inglewood  The Forum  USA  FLAC  624 MB  1:45:00  Audience  ijwthstd  
21.05.2011  Paradise  Thomas & Mack Center  USA  FLAC  502 MB  1:43:59  Audience    
21.05.2011  Paradise  Thomas & Mack Center  USA  FLAC  536 MB  1:43:41  Audience  Jon G.  
26.05.2011  Ciudad de México  Palacio de los Deportes  Mexico  WAV  1,11 GB  1:52:36  Audience  defthe1s (PinkMaggit)

After a while, I went back to work on the list and it's finally filled with all the positions we have.

I will not write all updates, you can see for yourself. All in all, 200+ updates.

We are waiting for your offers!